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Group: DynoMotion Message: 4467 From: likleong Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Tom,

I would like to clarify the number of axis that supported by KFlop, can it control the 5 axis machine? I have the following questions:

1. According to the specification, the software come with Kflop only support 4 axis trajectory planning. Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC cannot control a 5 axis machine?

2. If I use Mach3 with Kmotion plugin, which trajectory planner and kinematic will be use (Mach3/kmotion)? Can Mach3's trajectory planner support 5 axis?

3. Can I use Kflop with EMC? Any driver or software support?

Thanks for your help and explanation in advance.


Best regards,
Benny.
Group: DynoMotion Message: 4471 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Benny,
 
#1 - KFLOP supports 6 axes of coordinated motion with KMotionCNC or Mach3.  Where does it say 4 axes?  However it is up to your CAD system to do the 5 axes GCode.  KFLOP will only do the 5 axis coordinated interpolation.
 
#2 - with the Mach3 plugin, Mach3 does the trajectory planning.  A point by point trajectory is provided to the plugin which is what is performed by KFLOP.
 
#3 - no - EMC is designed to do all the real time control inside the PC.  KFLOP's purpose is to eliminate all the real-time contol from the PC.  So it is somewhat of a conflict of interest.
 
Regards
TK

Group: DynoMotion Message: 4472 From: likleong Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply, the following URL said that, the software only support 4 axis trajectory planning, is it talking about the kmotioncnc and kmotion library? How can it support 5 axis in this case?

http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SpecificationKFLOP.htm


For the coordinated motion, is it meaning the interpolation? Are they the same thing? How about the Kinematic, is it also handling by Mach3?


Best regards,
Benny


--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Benny,
>  
> #1 - KFLOP supports 6 axes of coordinated motion with KMotionCNC or Mach3.  Where does it say 4 axes?  However it is up to your CAD system to do the 5 axes GCode.  KFLOP will only do the 5 axis coordinated interpolation.
>  
> #2 - with the Mach3 plugin, Mach3 does the trajectory planning.  A point by point trajectory is provided to the plugin which is what is performed by KFLOP.
>  
> #3 - no - EMC is designed to do all the real time control inside the PC.  KFLOP's purpose is to eliminate all the real-time contol from the PC.  So it is somewhat of a conflict of interest.
>  
> Regards
> TK
>
> From: likleong <likleong@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:27 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Number of axis supported by KFlop
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom,
>
> I would like to clarify the number of axis that supported by KFlop, can it control the 5 axis machine? I have the following questions:
>
> 1. According to the specification, the software come with Kflop only support 4 axis trajectory planning. Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC cannot control a 5 axis machine?
>
> 2. If I use Mach3 with Kmotion plugin, which trajectory planner and kinematic will be use (Mach3/kmotion)? Can Mach3's trajectory planner support 5 axis?
>
> 3. Can I use Kflop with EMC? Any driver or software support?
>
> Thanks for your help and explanation in advance.
>
> Best regards,
> Benny.
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 4473 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/2/2012
Subject: Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Benny,
 
That is incorrect.  The TP was updated to 6 axes some time ago and that entry in the specification wasn't updated.
 
Yes coordinated motion is the same meaning as multi-axes linear and circular interpolation.
 
Mach3 doesn't really support Kinematics.  So when using Mach3 nonlinear Kinematics isn't really possible.
 
KMotionCNC has a layer for nonlinear Kinematics but it is up to you to supply the equations and code them into a C++ Class.  We have one example as file Kinematics3Rod.cpp.
 
Regards
TK
 
Group: DynoMotion Message: 4474 From: likleong Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Tom,

Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC will utilize the TP in kmotiondll and which is support up to 6 axis, the kinematic is also handled by this library as well, and then the interpolation will be handled by Kflop HW.

What if I use mach3 together with Kmotion plug-in? Is it both TP and Kinematic will be take care by Mach3?

If Mach3 only support linear kinematic, is it still possible to support 5 axis machine?


Best regards,
Benny.



--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Benny,
>  
> That is incorrect.  The TP was updated to 6 axes some time ago and that entry in the specification wasn't updated.
>  
> Yes coordinated motion is the same meaning as multi-axes linear and circular interpolation.
>  
> Mach3 doesn't really support Kinematics.  So when using Mach3 nonlinear Kinematics isn't really possible.
>  
> KMotionCNC has a layer for nonlinear Kinematics but it is up to you to supply the equations and code them into a C++ Class.  We have one example as file Kinematics3Rod.cpp.
>  
> Regards
> TK
>  
> From: likleong <likleong@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 11:00 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks for your reply, the following URL said that, the software only support 4 axis trajectory planning, is it talking about the kmotioncnc and kmotion library? How can it support 5 axis in this case?
>
> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SpecificationKFLOP.htm
>
> For the coordinated motion, is it meaning the interpolation? Are they the same thing? How about the Kinematic, is it also handling by Mach3?
>
> Best regards,
> Benny
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Benny,
> >  
> > #1 - KFLOP supports 6 axes of coordinated motion with KMotionCNC or Mach3.  Where does it say 4 axes?  However it is up to your CAD system to do the 5 axes GCode.  KFLOP will only do the 5 axis coordinated interpolation.
> >  
> > #2 - with the Mach3 plugin, Mach3 does the trajectory planning.  A point by point trajectory is provided to the plugin which is what is performed by KFLOP.
> >  
> > #3 - no - EMC is designed to do all the real time control inside the PC.  KFLOP's purpose is to eliminate all the real-time contol from the PC.  So it is somewhat of a conflict of interest.
> >  
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> > From: likleong <likleong@>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:27 PM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Number of axis supported by KFlop
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I would like to clarify the number of axis that supported by KFlop, can it control the 5 axis machine? I have the following questions:
> >
> > 1. According to the specification, the software come with Kflop only support 4 axis trajectory planning. Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC cannot control a 5 axis machine?
> >
> > 2. If I use Mach3 with Kmotion plugin, which trajectory planner and kinematic will be use (Mach3/kmotion)? Can Mach3's trajectory planner support 5 axis?
> >
> > 3. Can I use Kflop with EMC? Any driver or software support?
> >
> > Thanks for your help and explanation in advance.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Benny.
> >
>
Group: DynoMotion Message: 4475 From: Tom Kerekes Date: 4/3/2012
Subject: Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
Hi Benny,
 
Yes KMotionCNC uses the TP in the KMotion Libraries.
 
Basically to do 5 axes motion you will need a CAD system that can generate the 5 axes Gcode for you system.  Similar to a 3D job you will need to define a smooth path for all 5 axes using small line segments.
 
Regards
TK

From: likleong <likleong@...>
To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 3, 2012 12:51 AM
Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop

 
Hi Tom,

Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC will utilize the TP in kmotiondll and which is support up to 6 axis, the kinematic is also handled by this library as well, and then the interpolation will be handled by Kflop HW.

What if I use mach3 together with Kmotion plug-in? Is it both TP and Kinematic will be take care by Mach3?

If Mach3 only support linear kinematic, is it still possible to support 5 axis machine?

Best regards,
Benny.

--- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Benny,
>  
> That is incorrect.  The TP was updated to 6 axes some time ago and that entry in the specification wasn't updated.
>  
> Yes coordinated motion is the same meaning as multi-axes linear and circular interpolation.
>  
> Mach3 doesn't really support Kinematics.  So when using Mach3 nonlinear Kinematics isn't really possible.
>  
> KMotionCNC has a layer for nonlinear Kinematics but it is up to you to supply the equations and code them into a C++ Class.  We have one example as file Kinematics3Rod.cpp.
>  
> Regards
> TK
>  
> From: likleong <likleong@...>
> To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 11:00 PM
> Subject: [DynoMotion] Re: Number of axis supported by KFlop
>
>
>  
> Hi Tom,
>
> Thanks for your reply, the following URL said that, the software only support 4 axis trajectory planning, is it talking about the kmotioncnc and kmotion library? How can it support 5 axis in this case?
>
> http://www.dynomotion.com/Help/SpecificationKFLOP.htm
>
> For the coordinated motion, is it meaning the interpolation? Are they the same thing? How about the Kinematic, is it also handling by Mach3?
>
> Best regards,
> Benny
>
> --- In DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com, Tom Kerekes <tk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Benny,
> >  
> > #1 - KFLOP supports 6 axes of coordinated motion with KMotionCNC or Mach3.  Where does it say 4 axes?  However it is up to your CAD system to do the 5 axes GCode.  KFLOP will only do the 5 axis coordinated interpolation.
> >  
> > #2 - with the Mach3 plugin, Mach3 does the trajectory planning.  A point by point trajectory is provided to the plugin which is what is performed by KFLOP.
> >  
> > #3 - no - EMC is designed to do all the real time control inside the PC.  KFLOP's purpose is to eliminate all the real-time contol from the PC.  So it is somewhat of a conflict of interest.
> >  
> > Regards
> > TK
> >
> > From: likleong <likleong@>
> > To: DynoMotion@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, April 2, 2012 8:27 PM
> > Subject: [DynoMotion] Number of axis supported by KFlop
> >
> >
> >  
> > Hi Tom,
> >
> > I would like to clarify the number of axis that supported by KFlop, can it control the 5 axis machine? I have the following questions:
> >
> > 1. According to the specification, the software come with Kflop only support 4 axis trajectory planning. Is it meaning that, the KmotionCNC cannot control a 5 axis machine?
> >
> > 2. If I use Mach3 with Kmotion plugin, which trajectory planner and kinematic will be use (Mach3/kmotion)? Can Mach3's trajectory planner support 5 axis?
> >
> > 3. Can I use Kflop with EMC? Any driver or software support?
> >
> > Thanks for your help and explanation in advance.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Benny.
> >
>